I support herd immunity over herd mentality. Not one infectious disease doctor supports this change. Those that did stand in support mistakenly think freedom means “you can’t tell me what to do!” Well, I’d like to have our residents free from polio, measles, and all the many diseases prevented by vaccines. For a state where tourism is an economic driver this makes no sense.
Tell Ladapo & DeSatan to keep their hands off of life saving vaccines, better people than these two can vouch for the effectiveness of vaccines. Personally, I’m vaccinated to the hilt & have had NO negative reactions to any of them. Plus, I stayed healthy all through COVID. Give me a vaccine rather than an illness anyday
Doing away with vaccines is foolish, just look at the recent outbreaks of measles. Lacking immunity, in early Hawaii, they estimate that 10 to 31% of the population was wiped out. In 1842 King Kamehameha died from a measles outbreak in London.
I'm at a loss to understand the logic of mandatory vaccines being associated with slavery. By this logic the mandatory paying of taxes and obeying traffic laws is also somehow associated with slavery.
As many qualified health professionals have testified, the issue is public health which is the role of mandatory vaccines once heard immunity is reached. Why is the issue of public health being minimized? Some people have somehow gotten the notion that mandatory vaccinations are an infringement on their freedom. It could also be argued that it is an infringement on my freedom if I get sick because others did not get the mandatory vaccine.
As a native of Florida, I received all those vaccines and more, and I'm just fine. If you want your child to attend public school, then your child should be vaccinated. Florida has a large elderly population, and why should they be put in harm's way because anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers think their personal rights trump (see what I did there!) the rights of others?
America and Florida were much nicer places to live when we thought about others and followed the rules.
History tends to repeat itself unless we do something to stop it. Removing vaccinations will bring us back to the 1940's and 1950's when polio and measles were abundant. These are both life threatening events that no one wants but that is where we are headed due to the inept politicians and their ideas that no one needs to be vaccinated.
I came here for the same reason, I'll bet the rest of that guys position is equally well thought out and supportable...
For people like Julie below - yes - details do matter, including the detail that society is much, much better off with these vaccines than without them!
When’s the last time you checked the childhood recommendations for vaccines? They start at day one with Hep B and there’s a recommendation for every month after that, up to age 18. Some shots are 3in1 so when all of the recommendations are added up, there’s 69 shots all together. That includes boosters.
I wonder if they’ve added the Covid vax along with boosters to get to 80. Still, 69 shots from 24hrs old to age 18 has never been tested in its totality. While individual vaccines go through trials, the impact of the full schedule is being tested in real time. So those who are older (born after 1989) have never had this number of vaccinations.
Very good article in the current Mother Jones on Ladapo and his nutty wife. I strongly recommend reading the whole article. She's a woo woo weirdo from a fundamentalist family who claims to hear the voices of angels and see the energy of other human beings. (Interestingly, she saw a "dark entity" attached to Ladapo's "aura" when they first met.) After Ladapo gained conventional medicine credentials, he was derailed by the wife and one particular "guru" that he went to for help with their struggling marriage. The wife also saw this "guru" and claims that their sessions caused her to levitate and communicate with "divine presences". So all this was just prior to the pandemic, setting he and his wife up to react the way they did. They claimed to have seen "dark energy and nefarious intentions" in normal scientific recommendations. If we can elect a normal governor like David Jolly next year, we can put all this dangerous nonsense behind us.
According to the CDC, overall adjusted effectiveness estimates from its flu vaccines show effectiveness rates as follows:
2021–22: ~36%
2022–23: ~30%
2023–24: ~44%
2024–25: ~56% (preliminary/updated)
Not really a robust outcome and certainly not enough to provide herd immunity. Which is one of the primary reasons so many flu cases show up in people who have gotten the shot.
And these are the idiots that are in charge of our country, the ones that got the injections themselves as a child. Let’s just cause more disease after all it’s free for the Republicans. They don’t have to pay for anything. Then when you get sick, they still not gonna pay for anything. It’s a win-win situation for them.
Having the government mandate medical procedures is a slippery slope. Look at the Trump regime and tell me that you would trust a medical mandate from these clowns? No way.
Why are your health concerns more important than mine? Being someone who is highly allergic to pharmaceuticals means that I have to take very special care of myself. I don’t load my body up with sugar or caffeine, I exercise and meditate daily, I primarily eat organic, and I live a very healthy lifestyle. Meanwhile, the majority of Americans are guzzling down Coca-Cola’s, eating at McDonald’s, and not taking very good care of themselves. But then I’m expected to risk my life or my children’s lives for others? Who is the selfish one here? Self-care is not selfish, it’s self protection. I am not required to put my children children’s lives at risk to protect anyone else. My job is to protect my children. And since my medical history is nobody else else’s business. , I don’t have to explain myself. This is why we have HIPPA. Mind your own body.
Tell me how much you will trust a medical mandate from the Trump regime. Or from DeSantis if you’re in Florida? I don’t trust either one of those clowns and that is part of the issue with government mandates. It is so easy to pay Trump off because he is such a whore for the money, I’m not going to trust him with mandating anything for my body. And certainly not for my children’s bodies!
Fantastic reporting on a really consequential policy shift. What stuck with me from Dr. Southwick's testimony was his description of seeing Hib cases before 1985 versus the near elimination after vaccine rollout, that's the kind of real-world data that cuts through alot of the rhetric. I worked briefly with epidemiologists studying vacine hesitancy, and one pattern that kept coming up was how success becomes invisible, people stop seeing the diseases so they start questioning the intervention. The tension between individual autonomy and collective imunity is genuinely hard to navigate, but removing mandates without addressing the underlying trust issues feels like treating symptoms rather than causes.
I support herd immunity over herd mentality. Not one infectious disease doctor supports this change. Those that did stand in support mistakenly think freedom means “you can’t tell me what to do!” Well, I’d like to have our residents free from polio, measles, and all the many diseases prevented by vaccines. For a state where tourism is an economic driver this makes no sense.
And most of the anti-vaxers are also right-to-lifers! Is that hypocrisy or what!
Tell Ladapo & DeSatan to keep their hands off of life saving vaccines, better people than these two can vouch for the effectiveness of vaccines. Personally, I’m vaccinated to the hilt & have had NO negative reactions to any of them. Plus, I stayed healthy all through COVID. Give me a vaccine rather than an illness anyday
Doing away with vaccines is foolish, just look at the recent outbreaks of measles. Lacking immunity, in early Hawaii, they estimate that 10 to 31% of the population was wiped out. In 1842 King Kamehameha died from a measles outbreak in London.
I'm at a loss to understand the logic of mandatory vaccines being associated with slavery. By this logic the mandatory paying of taxes and obeying traffic laws is also somehow associated with slavery.
As many qualified health professionals have testified, the issue is public health which is the role of mandatory vaccines once heard immunity is reached. Why is the issue of public health being minimized? Some people have somehow gotten the notion that mandatory vaccinations are an infringement on their freedom. It could also be argued that it is an infringement on my freedom if I get sick because others did not get the mandatory vaccine.
As a native of Florida, I received all those vaccines and more, and I'm just fine. If you want your child to attend public school, then your child should be vaccinated. Florida has a large elderly population, and why should they be put in harm's way because anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers think their personal rights trump (see what I did there!) the rights of others?
America and Florida were much nicer places to live when we thought about others and followed the rules.
That depends on when you were born as new vaccines have been added yearly since 1989.
That is a good point. My generation probably didn't have the scientific knowledge that is available today.
History tends to repeat itself unless we do something to stop it. Removing vaccinations will bring us back to the 1940's and 1950's when polio and measles were abundant. These are both life threatening events that no one wants but that is where we are headed due to the inept politicians and their ideas that no one needs to be vaccinated.
I would ask him to name a pediatrician who required 80 shots. Science does not run on hyperbole.
“Now, any pediatrician in this room who tells you that a kid needs 80 shots shouldn’t be trusted to put a band aid on a kid’s knee,” he said.
That’s exactly what I thought when I read that statement. What nonsense!!
I came here for the same reason, I'll bet the rest of that guys position is equally well thought out and supportable...
For people like Julie below - yes - details do matter, including the detail that society is much, much better off with these vaccines than without them!
Exactly my thought. 80 vaccines. What a ridiculous comment.
When’s the last time you checked the childhood recommendations for vaccines? They start at day one with Hep B and there’s a recommendation for every month after that, up to age 18. Some shots are 3in1 so when all of the recommendations are added up, there’s 69 shots all together. That includes boosters.
The answer to your question is, just now. You can too: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/imz-schedules/downloads/child/0-18yrs-child-combined-schedule.pdf
Your count, which I cannot verify, is 69, is still a totally different number from 80.
I wonder if they’ve added the Covid vax along with boosters to get to 80. Still, 69 shots from 24hrs old to age 18 has never been tested in its totality. While individual vaccines go through trials, the impact of the full schedule is being tested in real time. So those who are older (born after 1989) have never had this number of vaccinations.
Typically by the time a child enters school these vaccines are usually finished by 4–6 years of age:
DTaP (Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis)
5-dose series completed (protection through early childhood).
IPV (Polio)
4 doses completed.
MMR (Measles, Mumps, Rubella)
2 doses completed.
Varicella (Chickenpox)
2 doses completed.
Hepatitis B
3-dose series typically completed in infancy.
Hepatitis A
2 doses usually completed in early childhood (often by age 3–4).
Pneumococcal Conjugate (PCV)
4 doses in infancy/toddler years.
Hib (Haemophilus influenzae type b)
3–4 doses (typically finished by 15 months).
Rotavirus
2–3 doses in infancy.
Annual flu vaccines beginning at age 6 months
5-6 doses.
So, not 80- but typically 30-34.
Very good article in the current Mother Jones on Ladapo and his nutty wife. I strongly recommend reading the whole article. She's a woo woo weirdo from a fundamentalist family who claims to hear the voices of angels and see the energy of other human beings. (Interestingly, she saw a "dark entity" attached to Ladapo's "aura" when they first met.) After Ladapo gained conventional medicine credentials, he was derailed by the wife and one particular "guru" that he went to for help with their struggling marriage. The wife also saw this "guru" and claims that their sessions caused her to levitate and communicate with "divine presences". So all this was just prior to the pandemic, setting he and his wife up to react the way they did. They claimed to have seen "dark energy and nefarious intentions" in normal scientific recommendations. If we can elect a normal governor like David Jolly next year, we can put all this dangerous nonsense behind us.
This is insanity. Vaccines work!
Well…
According to the CDC, overall adjusted effectiveness estimates from its flu vaccines show effectiveness rates as follows:
2021–22: ~36%
2022–23: ~30%
2023–24: ~44%
2024–25: ~56% (preliminary/updated)
Not really a robust outcome and certainly not enough to provide herd immunity. Which is one of the primary reasons so many flu cases show up in people who have gotten the shot.
And these are the idiots that are in charge of our country, the ones that got the injections themselves as a child. Let’s just cause more disease after all it’s free for the Republicans. They don’t have to pay for anything. Then when you get sick, they still not gonna pay for anything. It’s a win-win situation for them.
Anvil make money by being invested in our Disease Treatment industry.
If only we had an actual Disease Prevention / Health Care industry...
I can’t believe we’re regressing to believing politicians instead of pediatricians.
Having the government mandate medical procedures is a slippery slope. Look at the Trump regime and tell me that you would trust a medical mandate from these clowns? No way.
Why are your health concerns more important than mine? Being someone who is highly allergic to pharmaceuticals means that I have to take very special care of myself. I don’t load my body up with sugar or caffeine, I exercise and meditate daily, I primarily eat organic, and I live a very healthy lifestyle. Meanwhile, the majority of Americans are guzzling down Coca-Cola’s, eating at McDonald’s, and not taking very good care of themselves. But then I’m expected to risk my life or my children’s lives for others? Who is the selfish one here? Self-care is not selfish, it’s self protection. I am not required to put my children children’s lives at risk to protect anyone else. My job is to protect my children. And since my medical history is nobody else else’s business. , I don’t have to explain myself. This is why we have HIPPA. Mind your own body.
Tell me how much you will trust a medical mandate from the Trump regime. Or from DeSantis if you’re in Florida? I don’t trust either one of those clowns and that is part of the issue with government mandates. It is so easy to pay Trump off because he is such a whore for the money, I’m not going to trust him with mandating anything for my body. And certainly not for my children’s bodies!
Fantastic reporting on a really consequential policy shift. What stuck with me from Dr. Southwick's testimony was his description of seeing Hib cases before 1985 versus the near elimination after vaccine rollout, that's the kind of real-world data that cuts through alot of the rhetric. I worked briefly with epidemiologists studying vacine hesitancy, and one pattern that kept coming up was how success becomes invisible, people stop seeing the diseases so they start questioning the intervention. The tension between individual autonomy and collective imunity is genuinely hard to navigate, but removing mandates without addressing the underlying trust issues feels like treating symptoms rather than causes.