I think amongst that group, we should include the Republicans because after all, they are terrorist in disguise, especially with a criminal record of dump trump
I think CAIR supports other Terrorist Organizations and people connected to it also do, but CAIR should win the lawsuit based on Federal preemption grounds; however, I think the DOJ should keep a close eye on who care supports and some of their members.
And what "Terrorist Organizations" would that be? Terrorism actually has a definition and while it is perpetually assigned to Hamas, that designation is incorrect. Hamas represents resistance to Israeli occupation, which is a right given to oppressed people by the United Nations. The wife who stabs her abusing husband is not a terrorist, nor are peoples experiencing brutal and deadly occupation who fight back. Were the residents in the Warsaw Ghetto who rose against the Nazis terrorists?
I compare Hamas's jail break with the Warsaw Ghetto because that is exactly what it was. In the Warsaw Ghetto, Jews were an occupied people, controlled by a vicious fascistic, Jew-hating force of Nazi soldiers and the Warsaw Jews valiantly resisted that occupation. Hamas and the Gazans—Christians and Muslims, are exactly the same as Gaza is occupied by vicious, 'Arab' hating, fascistic Nazi-like soldiers. If the 'occupation' ended, why do you suppose Palestinians continue to resist? Jews were driven out because they were invaders and occupiers of someone else's home, but they never stopped terrorizing and oppressing the Gaza population.
That would be 'yes'. They either hate Islam or are too fearful of the US and Israel to deny the made up claim of 'Hamas terrorism'. Thirty years back, Hamas conducted suicide bombings, and that would be terrorism; however, time changes people and the latest Hamas Charter repudiates terrorism. Nevertheless, Oct 7 was a military attack to resist occupation, and if you choose to see it as terrorism, then you fail to understand the severity of Zionist occupation in Gaza, nor do you understand international law.
An earlier president wrote, "...the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens..." A reference for that quote is below. If any group's rights can be disqualified by just a signature, then none of us is safe. The Tribe of Judah takes no pleasure in this. May everyone be blessed with the light of Chanuka.
Lonnie, you make a very cogent and well-expressed point. CAIR would fall into the category of bigotry in the quote I cited. The facts do not support the opinion I wrote on December 17. Thank you and כל הכבוד.
When I was an ESL teacher, the State Department sent hundreds of Muslims our way in various programs, including Fulbright and Humphrey scholars. I found them to be stellar students in every way—kind, thoughtful, intelligent, well-educated and compassionate. Muslims, as a matter of fact, recognize Jesus Christ as a Prophet of God, just like Mohammed, but not a divine being. Another fact is that the Divinity of Jesus was not settled theology until the 4th century AD.
The Crusades, beginning in the 12th century, were first and foremost a military solution to opening the trade routes to China and India that the Turks had closed. Secondarily, it was to put Christendom under the Roman Thumb. It was not a venture to 'free' the Holy Land from Muslim infidels—Jerusalem at the time was an international city, recognized as a holy site for the three religions of the Book. A further fact is that the Crusaders killed Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike when they sacked and plundered Jerusalem.
Now it is so that the same Turks who had closed trade also expanded into Crimea and Eastern Europe, but this was more imperial expansion than religious enthusiasm, and the same can be said for the Muslim Conquest of Spain. Both regions experienced long eras of 'reconquest', long-lasting military actions with plenty of casualties, so it is likely that anti-Muslim enmity arises from these wars. The irony, of course, is that these same Europeans colonized and brutalized much of the world and were responsible for more deaths than ever occurred in any reconquest. However, the good Muslim-hating Christians do not possess mirrors.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Important to protect the free speech of our Muslim friends and neighbors and Muslim-American participation in our civic life and government. I had not heard of this issue. Noel Koestline
I am very familiar with CAIR, through its Florida office in Temple Terrace and Sami Al-Arian's legal case. Labeling ethnic or political as "terrorists" - in the absence of any evidence of criminal activity - is a standard Fascist tactic: The myth of an "evil enemy within our borders" - a demonized Other - provides excuses for creating Secret Police agencies, removing legal due process and other civil rights, and supplies a unifying cause for violent gangs sympathetic to the people in power. The term "Nazification" was coined to describe the process.
Fascist dictatorships need an "enemy" within their own borders, as an excuse to create massive Secret Police forces and eliminate the legal rights that limits the State's power over its citizens. The September 11 attack was exactly what America's real life Fascists needed, to justify an ongoing attack against all civil rights inside the United States. How lucky for them that a few guys with box cutters came along and gave them a picture perfect provocation.
Really solid breakdown on the procedural overstep here. The distinction between ideology vs actual organization with Antifa, then contrasting it with CAIR as a real entity but stil lacking due process, exposes the slippery slope pretty effectively. I've watched local governments in other states wrestle with similar declarations (think back to how some cities labeled BLM chapters), and once that precedent gets normalized, it's kinda wild how fast the same tactics spread. The federal preemption argument CAIR makes seems likley to hold up better than DeSantis's unilateral designation.
A reader wrote and asked whether CAIR advocates for the implementation of Sharia law in the U.S. I thought it was a fair question and I looked it up. Here's what I found:
No, the Council on American-Islamic Relations(CAIR) does not advocate for implementing Sharia law as a state or federal legal system in the U.S.; instead, they defend religious freedom and challenge laws seen as discriminatory against Muslims, often fighting against anti-Sharia legislation by explaining that Sharia refers to personal morals, not a parallel legal code, and arguing such laws are unconstitutional infringements on religious liberty, according to their materials and reporting.
CAIR's Stance on Sharia:
Personal vs. Legal Code: CAIR emphasizes that "Sharia" for most Muslims means personal, ethical guidance (like honoring parents, honesty, charity) rather than a political legal system, notes CAIR, Islamophobia.org.
Fighting Anti-Sharia Laws: CAIR actively files lawsuits and campaigns against state laws attempting to ban Sharia, viewing them as unconstitutional and Islamophobic, as seen in challenges against actions by governors like DeSantis, Greg Abbott, and Oklahoma.
Focus on Civil Rights: Their primary mission is protecting the civil rights, free expression, and religious freedom of all Americans, opposing policies that limit these rights for any group, says CAIR.
In essence, CAIR's work counters the fear-driven narrative that Muslims seek to impose Sharia law by advocating for constitutional rights and clarifying the meaning of Sharia within American society, according to their official statements and analysis from groups like Islamophobia.org and PBS.
The Trump , his entire administration and DeSantis show the truth in the old adage, “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” as long as Congress and the legislature lets them get away with it and the more citizens try to ignore it , the worst it will be.
I can't tell you how much pain it gives me to have to agree with Gov. Moe (Moe Ron DeSatan, that is). Search for "united with israel org connecting the dots from hamas to cair" and read the article. It will be clear that CAIR really is a terrorist organization. Follow the funding links to Hamas.
Could be, but I am not convinced that Israel would be totally objective. Any more than I would be convinced the US would. Our world is rapidly disintegrating.
I was linking to an article by the United With Israel organization, which is not affiliated with the State of Israel. There are no opinions in the article. It identifies the many links between CAIR and Hamas. Please post any statements in the article that you can cite as being untrue.
Well, given AI, and all the other means of producing fake news, who’s to say your source isn’t as fake as you say this one is. And as far as this administration’s links to Russia, there are other things that make me think there’s more to the story. Time will tell All Of Us the truth.
Wrong-again Ron's entire governorship has consisted of him trying to interfere with anything and anyone he personally dislikes. He doesn't give a damn about the welfare of this state or its people. It's all about him. As usual, he's wrong again this time.
I think amongst that group, we should include the Republicans because after all, they are terrorist in disguise, especially with a criminal record of dump trump
And not very well disguised! This latest Venezuela adventure meets the definition of state-sponsored terrorism.
I think CAIR supports other Terrorist Organizations and people connected to it also do, but CAIR should win the lawsuit based on Federal preemption grounds; however, I think the DOJ should keep a close eye on who care supports and some of their members.
And what "Terrorist Organizations" would that be? Terrorism actually has a definition and while it is perpetually assigned to Hamas, that designation is incorrect. Hamas represents resistance to Israeli occupation, which is a right given to oppressed people by the United Nations. The wife who stabs her abusing husband is not a terrorist, nor are peoples experiencing brutal and deadly occupation who fight back. Were the residents in the Warsaw Ghetto who rose against the Nazis terrorists?
I compare Hamas's jail break with the Warsaw Ghetto because that is exactly what it was. In the Warsaw Ghetto, Jews were an occupied people, controlled by a vicious fascistic, Jew-hating force of Nazi soldiers and the Warsaw Jews valiantly resisted that occupation. Hamas and the Gazans—Christians and Muslims, are exactly the same as Gaza is occupied by vicious, 'Arab' hating, fascistic Nazi-like soldiers. If the 'occupation' ended, why do you suppose Palestinians continue to resist? Jews were driven out because they were invaders and occupiers of someone else's home, but they never stopped terrorizing and oppressing the Gaza population.
That would be 'yes'. They either hate Islam or are too fearful of the US and Israel to deny the made up claim of 'Hamas terrorism'. Thirty years back, Hamas conducted suicide bombings, and that would be terrorism; however, time changes people and the latest Hamas Charter repudiates terrorism. Nevertheless, Oct 7 was a military attack to resist occupation, and if you choose to see it as terrorism, then you fail to understand the severity of Zionist occupation in Gaza, nor do you understand international law.
An earlier president wrote, "...the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens..." A reference for that quote is below. If any group's rights can be disqualified by just a signature, then none of us is safe. The Tribe of Judah takes no pleasure in this. May everyone be blessed with the light of Chanuka.
חג שמח
https://www.ifcj.org/news/stand-for-israel-blog/washingtons-letter-to-the-children-of-the-stock-of-abraham
Lonnie, you make a very cogent and well-expressed point. CAIR would fall into the category of bigotry in the quote I cited. The facts do not support the opinion I wrote on December 17. Thank you and כל הכבוד.
When I was an ESL teacher, the State Department sent hundreds of Muslims our way in various programs, including Fulbright and Humphrey scholars. I found them to be stellar students in every way—kind, thoughtful, intelligent, well-educated and compassionate. Muslims, as a matter of fact, recognize Jesus Christ as a Prophet of God, just like Mohammed, but not a divine being. Another fact is that the Divinity of Jesus was not settled theology until the 4th century AD.
The Crusades, beginning in the 12th century, were first and foremost a military solution to opening the trade routes to China and India that the Turks had closed. Secondarily, it was to put Christendom under the Roman Thumb. It was not a venture to 'free' the Holy Land from Muslim infidels—Jerusalem at the time was an international city, recognized as a holy site for the three religions of the Book. A further fact is that the Crusaders killed Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike when they sacked and plundered Jerusalem.
Now it is so that the same Turks who had closed trade also expanded into Crimea and Eastern Europe, but this was more imperial expansion than religious enthusiasm, and the same can be said for the Muslim Conquest of Spain. Both regions experienced long eras of 'reconquest', long-lasting military actions with plenty of casualties, so it is likely that anti-Muslim enmity arises from these wars. The irony, of course, is that these same Europeans colonized and brutalized much of the world and were responsible for more deaths than ever occurred in any reconquest. However, the good Muslim-hating Christians do not possess mirrors.
DJT had already lost his mind before he was elected. That’s why I couldn’t understand why he Was elected!!!!!!!
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Important to protect the free speech of our Muslim friends and neighbors and Muslim-American participation in our civic life and government. I had not heard of this issue. Noel Koestline
I am very familiar with CAIR, through its Florida office in Temple Terrace and Sami Al-Arian's legal case. Labeling ethnic or political as "terrorists" - in the absence of any evidence of criminal activity - is a standard Fascist tactic: The myth of an "evil enemy within our borders" - a demonized Other - provides excuses for creating Secret Police agencies, removing legal due process and other civil rights, and supplies a unifying cause for violent gangs sympathetic to the people in power. The term "Nazification" was coined to describe the process.
Fascist dictatorships need an "enemy" within their own borders, as an excuse to create massive Secret Police forces and eliminate the legal rights that limits the State's power over its citizens. The September 11 attack was exactly what America's real life Fascists needed, to justify an ongoing attack against all civil rights inside the United States. How lucky for them that a few guys with box cutters came along and gave them a picture perfect provocation.
Really solid breakdown on the procedural overstep here. The distinction between ideology vs actual organization with Antifa, then contrasting it with CAIR as a real entity but stil lacking due process, exposes the slippery slope pretty effectively. I've watched local governments in other states wrestle with similar declarations (think back to how some cities labeled BLM chapters), and once that precedent gets normalized, it's kinda wild how fast the same tactics spread. The federal preemption argument CAIR makes seems likley to hold up better than DeSantis's unilateral designation.
A reader wrote and asked whether CAIR advocates for the implementation of Sharia law in the U.S. I thought it was a fair question and I looked it up. Here's what I found:
No, the Council on American-Islamic Relations(CAIR) does not advocate for implementing Sharia law as a state or federal legal system in the U.S.; instead, they defend religious freedom and challenge laws seen as discriminatory against Muslims, often fighting against anti-Sharia legislation by explaining that Sharia refers to personal morals, not a parallel legal code, and arguing such laws are unconstitutional infringements on religious liberty, according to their materials and reporting.
CAIR's Stance on Sharia:
Personal vs. Legal Code: CAIR emphasizes that "Sharia" for most Muslims means personal, ethical guidance (like honoring parents, honesty, charity) rather than a political legal system, notes CAIR, Islamophobia.org.
Fighting Anti-Sharia Laws: CAIR actively files lawsuits and campaigns against state laws attempting to ban Sharia, viewing them as unconstitutional and Islamophobic, as seen in challenges against actions by governors like DeSantis, Greg Abbott, and Oklahoma.
Focus on Civil Rights: Their primary mission is protecting the civil rights, free expression, and religious freedom of all Americans, opposing policies that limit these rights for any group, says CAIR.
In essence, CAIR's work counters the fear-driven narrative that Muslims seek to impose Sharia law by advocating for constitutional rights and clarifying the meaning of Sharia within American society, according to their official statements and analysis from groups like Islamophobia.org and PBS.
The Trump , his entire administration and DeSantis show the truth in the old adage, “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” as long as Congress and the legislature lets them get away with it and the more citizens try to ignore it , the worst it will be.
I can't tell you how much pain it gives me to have to agree with Gov. Moe (Moe Ron DeSatan, that is). Search for "united with israel org connecting the dots from hamas to cair" and read the article. It will be clear that CAIR really is a terrorist organization. Follow the funding links to Hamas.
Could be, but I am not convinced that Israel would be totally objective. Any more than I would be convinced the US would. Our world is rapidly disintegrating.
I was linking to an article by the United With Israel organization, which is not affiliated with the State of Israel. There are no opinions in the article. It identifies the many links between CAIR and Hamas. Please post any statements in the article that you can cite as being untrue.
Well, given AI, and all the other means of producing fake news, who’s to say your source isn’t as fake as you say this one is. And as far as this administration’s links to Russia, there are other things that make me think there’s more to the story. Time will tell All Of Us the truth.
"Terrorist" has become a useless word, as it means so many different things to so many people.
Wrong-again Ron's entire governorship has consisted of him trying to interfere with anything and anyone he personally dislikes. He doesn't give a damn about the welfare of this state or its people. It's all about him. As usual, he's wrong again this time.